What do ye think?
Actually, what do you think about Rumsfeld quitting, just to have an extra topic to talk about?
Dems take Congress: House *and* Senate
I, for one, am a happy girl. 'nuff said.
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If I start discussing my political ideas, I won't be allowed back on this board. 
All and all it is just all staged. Don't believe me? Dems won't do anything about the war either. Nothing will change. Pelosi already said she won't go forth and impeach Bush, so like I said, Nothing has changed. Just because they call themselves a different political party doesn't actually mean anything in this country anymore. They all have 1 thing in common and that is globalism.
Yes I am glad that Rumsfeld is out of there, but he is just a name and face to place "blame on" for the war. However, we don't know who the real policy makers are in this country. Definitely not anyone in Congress or in the White House.
And that is all I am saying.
All and all it is just all staged. Don't believe me? Dems won't do anything about the war either. Nothing will change. Pelosi already said she won't go forth and impeach Bush, so like I said, Nothing has changed. Just because they call themselves a different political party doesn't actually mean anything in this country anymore. They all have 1 thing in common and that is globalism.
Yes I am glad that Rumsfeld is out of there, but he is just a name and face to place "blame on" for the war. However, we don't know who the real policy makers are in this country. Definitely not anyone in Congress or in the White House.
And that is all I am saying.
Good thing 
Hmmm, and while it may very well all be staged allow me to introduce a few other reasons why Pelosi won't impeach Bush...
Upside to impeaching Bush:
Revenge and a temporary good feeling
Appeasing some parts of the democratic party
Making quite a few people around the world happy.
Downside:
Bush has the red pen (veto power), democrats want to actually do anything they will need to bargain with him. Essentially the choice comes down to either impeaching Bush or getting things done that needs to get done... Personally I'd rather see minimum wage increase than impeachment, a lot better for a lot of people.
Alienating a lot of moderates and swing voters that want a bi-partisan approach to politics and making it harder for a democratic presidential candidate in '08.
Making the wrong people around the world happy.
Just some food for thought, if you ignore the special interests having way too much power, the neo-cons disdain for democracy, growth of fundamentalist christianity etc. the basic dynamic of politics will generally take you toward a moderate approach as long as there is any sort of balance. The election results allow the governing branches a chance to remember the intentions of the constitution, a practical common sense approach to politics where freedom and equality are the guiding forces rather than religious beliefs and special interests. Lets hope they take the chance at least for a while...
Hmmm, and while it may very well all be staged allow me to introduce a few other reasons why Pelosi won't impeach Bush...
Upside to impeaching Bush:
Revenge and a temporary good feeling
Appeasing some parts of the democratic party
Making quite a few people around the world happy.
Downside:
Bush has the red pen (veto power), democrats want to actually do anything they will need to bargain with him. Essentially the choice comes down to either impeaching Bush or getting things done that needs to get done... Personally I'd rather see minimum wage increase than impeachment, a lot better for a lot of people.
Alienating a lot of moderates and swing voters that want a bi-partisan approach to politics and making it harder for a democratic presidential candidate in '08.
Making the wrong people around the world happy.
Just some food for thought, if you ignore the special interests having way too much power, the neo-cons disdain for democracy, growth of fundamentalist christianity etc. the basic dynamic of politics will generally take you toward a moderate approach as long as there is any sort of balance. The election results allow the governing branches a chance to remember the intentions of the constitution, a practical common sense approach to politics where freedom and equality are the guiding forces rather than religious beliefs and special interests. Lets hope they take the chance at least for a while...
It's a good thing. I don't support the Iraq war, but that's not even my biggest concern. I care more about the domestic issues: personal privacy, net neutrality, copyright law, education funding, environmentally-conscious legislation, etc. The right to fly on a plane with some shampoo in you bag, something that has been lost in Bush's culture of fear.
I am looking forward to a more rational approach to the issues affecting our country. The people I voted for are committed to those ideals. I have hope again.
I am looking forward to a more rational approach to the issues affecting our country. The people I voted for are committed to those ideals. I have hope again.
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I support whoever is in office... be democratic (in that the person with the most votes takes over, not as in 'if your party didnt win bitch about it') and support em. Once we neutralize Iraq then we might have a friend in OPEC, which is always nice, so play nice with Mexico, they're in OPEC too.
Personal privacy... too late. Net nutrality, already shot down the privitization fo the Net. Educational funding has always been subpar, deal with it. Environmentally concious? Hell we're the most technologocally advanced, yet by some irony we rely on the most backwards source of energy.
The culture of fear will always be there.. it's the 21st century, we fear germs, people, places, things, and the unknown. Fear keeps you glued to the TV. Carpe Diem and fight the system. Play w0w on a PvE server if you don't want to have fear... oh wait you do
Personal privacy... too late. Net nutrality, already shot down the privitization fo the Net. Educational funding has always been subpar, deal with it. Environmentally concious? Hell we're the most technologocally advanced, yet by some irony we rely on the most backwards source of energy.
The culture of fear will always be there.. it's the 21st century, we fear germs, people, places, things, and the unknown. Fear keeps you glued to the TV. Carpe Diem and fight the system. Play w0w on a PvE server if you don't want to have fear... oh wait you do
LoL, only the neo-cons ever seriously believed Iraq would become the shining light of democracy in the middle east. The simple fact is that democracy takes time and a lot of effort and even if it was to happen the result would definately be different than the democracy we're used to seeing in the US and europe. A western style democracy based on a strong, affluent middle class with enough time to actually mess about with democracy and a clear separation of church and state doesn't really work if you don't have a strong middle class and more or less all the factions vying for power are essentially religious in nature.
"Neutralizing Iraq" is a bad choice of words and something that simply can't happen. Iraq will be there, either in it's present form or split up and either a power in the area or under the control of another regional power (Iran), unfortunately the current mess provides excellent opportunities for various the worst kind of scenarios to play out, putting a country in the hands of religious extremists and corporations is not a recipe for stability no matter where in the world it happens.
"Neutralizing Iraq" is a bad choice of words and something that simply can't happen. Iraq will be there, either in it's present form or split up and either a power in the area or under the control of another regional power (Iran), unfortunately the current mess provides excellent opportunities for various the worst kind of scenarios to play out, putting a country in the hands of religious extremists and corporations is not a recipe for stability no matter where in the world it happens.
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Discussing politics over the internet... heh.
I won't say much, but political power flows like the tide - it goes back and forth. The democrats will hold power until something happens that people can blame on them, and then it will swing back to the republicans. It's just the way it goes. Most of the people who have strong opinions about politics don't really have any idea what they're talking about; they're just mindlessly repeating whatever the news or mtv or their minister tells them to. It's pretty sad. Not you guys though, of course
I agree in voting for the person, not the party. What disappoints me most about Bush is the extra power he's brought to the government and taken away from states rights and people. What disappoints me most about the election results is that I don't see most of the newly elected officials doing anything about it. It's like John Kerry - great at pointing out what is wrong, but terrible at explaining how to fix it. That is always the tough part, right?
People love to buy into calls for "change", even when nobody has a real idea of what has to be done to bring a conflict to resolution.
Impeaching Bush would take 2 years as it is, even if it was a worthwhile idea. I'd hate to think we're starting a pattern of impeaching presidents whenever they make decisions we don't agree with... but I digress. Guess we'll see what the new people in power will do - but I'd be willing to bet that the solutions aren't nearly as easy as they made them out to be.
That's all for me. Back to the politics of WoW.
I won't say much, but political power flows like the tide - it goes back and forth. The democrats will hold power until something happens that people can blame on them, and then it will swing back to the republicans. It's just the way it goes. Most of the people who have strong opinions about politics don't really have any idea what they're talking about; they're just mindlessly repeating whatever the news or mtv or their minister tells them to. It's pretty sad. Not you guys though, of course
I agree in voting for the person, not the party. What disappoints me most about Bush is the extra power he's brought to the government and taken away from states rights and people. What disappoints me most about the election results is that I don't see most of the newly elected officials doing anything about it. It's like John Kerry - great at pointing out what is wrong, but terrible at explaining how to fix it. That is always the tough part, right?
People love to buy into calls for "change", even when nobody has a real idea of what has to be done to bring a conflict to resolution.Impeaching Bush would take 2 years as it is, even if it was a worthwhile idea. I'd hate to think we're starting a pattern of impeaching presidents whenever they make decisions we don't agree with... but I digress. Guess we'll see what the new people in power will do - but I'd be willing to bet that the solutions aren't nearly as easy as they made them out to be.
That's all for me. Back to the politics of WoW.
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Um, stay away from converted, the US going around converting other countries is exactly what the muslim extremists are claiming when they want to incite violence, it's a very. very bad picture from the view of the islamic world.
Stabilized is the politically correct term, Iraq governing themselves but no longer threatening to invade other countries or killing each other.
Stabilized is the politically correct term, Iraq governing themselves but no longer threatening to invade other countries or killing each other.
I think you all should go to Google and watch.
Terrorstorm ( http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... torm&hl=en)
Martial Law: Rise of the Police State ( http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... +law&hl=en).
Might help you all understand why the world is so messed up nowadays.
I also wanted to say we aren't a democracy. We are a constitutional republic. Much different meaning behind those two.
Terrorstorm ( http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... torm&hl=en)
Martial Law: Rise of the Police State ( http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... +law&hl=en).
Might help you all understand why the world is so messed up nowadays.
I also wanted to say we aren't a democracy. We are a constitutional republic. Much different meaning behind those two.
Alanthus wrote:Good thing
Hmmm, and while it may very well all be staged allow me to introduce a few other reasons why Pelosi won't impeach Bush...
Upside to impeaching Bush:
Revenge and a temporary good feeling
Appeasing some parts of the democratic party
Making quite a few people around the world happy.
Downside:
Bush has the red pen (veto power), democrats want to actually do anything they will need to bargain with him. Essentially the choice comes down to either impeaching Bush or getting things done that needs to get done... Personally I'd rather see minimum wage increase than impeachment, a lot better for a lot of people.
Alienating a lot of moderates and swing voters that want a bi-partisan approach to politics and making it harder for a democratic presidential candidate in '08.
Making the wrong people around the world happy.
Just some food for thought, if you ignore the special interests having way too much power, the neo-cons disdain for democracy, growth of fundamentalist christianity etc. the basic dynamic of politics will generally take you toward a moderate approach as long as there is any sort of balance. The election results allow the governing branches a chance to remember the intentions of the constitution, a practical common sense approach to politics where freedom and equality are the guiding forces rather than religious beliefs and special interests. Lets hope they take the chance at least for a while...
you have to understand that the senate with dems in power also have veto power. they are the legislative branch and busg he is the executive branch hence they go hand in hand. so if bush brings an idea to congress and they vote against it then his idea is shot down but the same goes for congress if they bring something to bush so its pretty much goin g to be a vicious cycle to get things done at all... bush wants to support the war and dems do not, dems have majority control over senate hence bush will probably have to pull out of the war. just my thinking i could be wrong so dont try to hold it against me
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Why does everyone want to blame this on Bush?
You guys: "Oh man it sucks, Bush and the rest of the Executive Branch is doing whatever they want. If there was only some way to followup, or 'check' if you will, and make sure they're not doing anything illegal, but if they are take action, or 'balance' it out."
You guys: "Oh man it sucks, Bush and the rest of the Executive Branch is doing whatever they want. If there was only some way to followup, or 'check' if you will, and make sure they're not doing anything illegal, but if they are take action, or 'balance' it out."
