relative class activity graphs

Apis · Post by **Apis** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:55 am

I was looking at the class activity graph in order to see if the activity for a specific class have gone down during the last month but on the current graps it's realy hard to see because the changes in overall activity is much larger.
So I put together a graph showing relative activity for each class from those images: (including both horde and alliance data)

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2576 ... ityan0.png

I have multiplied shaman/palladin values by 2.5/1.6 (based on the alliance/horde ratio i got) to compesate for faction in order to make them comparable to the other classes, don't know if that would be a good idea in a "public" graph though)

I think something like this would be more interesting than the current graphs? And it should be realively easy to put together.

xpolockx · Post by **xpolockx** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:33 am

too many hunters, that's for sure...

Balgair · Post by **Balgair** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:21 am

Nice graph - I like how the mages suddenly spike upwards after their review

Sadly I have the feeling rogues will go further down after theirs

Skyfire · Post by **Skyfire** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:56 pm

Balgair wrote:Nice graph - I like how the mages suddenly spike upwards after their review Sadly I have the feeling rogues will go further down after theirs

...

Mages got nothing in PvP. PvE, yes, very very large buff, but PvP...

xpolockx · Post by **xpolockx** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:42 am

Mages got nothing in PvP. PvE, yes, very very large buff, but PvP...

Yeah, I definitely appreciate the greatly increased amount of frost mages, as they tend to be easier to kill in pvp than fire mages. There are exceptions of course; I did get hit by a 6k crit frostbolt the other day, and that hurt.

Skyfire · Post by **Skyfire** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:34 pm

6k Frostbolt requires a really, rare spec post 1.10: AP Frost. I don't even think that would do it, without a Flask of Supreme Power + a couple other buffs.

And if those Frost Mages are so much easier to kill than Fire Mages, those Frost Mages need to L2P. Ice Barrier's overpowered now.

Let's see...

3k Normal hit. Assuming optimal burst damage spec, that's a 1.09 multiplier before AP (1.3 multilplier). 3k/1.3 = 2307. Let's throw in Berserking/AV buff (2307/1.3): 1775. Divided by 1.09: 1628. Rank 11 Frostbolt's max is for 555.

1073 is the amount of damage he would have to gain from +damage gear. Divided by .8142, for the amount the spell receives from +damage, and that brings the total to:

1318 in +damage. Even with a Greater Arcane Elixer, a Flask, and a Brilliant Wizard Oil, you would still need over 1092 +damage from gear. Throw in the first charge of a ZHC, and that's 892.

Max that I know of is 800 (or just below it), and that requires Gear from Naxx. So he didn't crit you for 6k.

5k is believable. Still rare.

oiseaux · Post by **oiseaux** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:52 am

Sorry to say this xpolockx, but Skyfire just owned you.

xpolockx · Post by **xpolockx** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:00 am

Ok, so maybe it wasn't quite 6k... I have 4551 hp and I died in 1 hit, so yeah, it was around there

If I was smart I would have screenshotted it for posterity, but alas, I didn't. Oh well. Thanks for setting me straight though, skyfire

Good to see somebody actually paying attention

On a side note, I had a quick thinking mage avoid an aimed shot with ice barrier today. I /cheered for him

And oiseaux, you don't sound very sorry... hehe

oiseaux · Post by **oiseaux** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:20 pm

I just hate when ppl come to the warlock boards and say..OMG I got crit fer 9k NeRF!.
It is just frustrating and unfortunate that I don't know the math required to prove someone wrong. My highest crit ever with Shadow Bolt is only 2000 and that is in a raid with buffs, curse of shadow, and Shadow Vulnerability proc.

With good gear (I mean full epics including gear from Naxx) mages are able to 2-3 shot ppl every 2 mins or whatever the cooldown is on their trinket. Mages aren't able to combine trinkets and Arcane Power anymore, so it really limits their burst damage now.

Hunters can easily 2-3 shot ppl though, so I wouldn't be complaining about mages if I were you.

Skyfire · Post by **Skyfire** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:43 am

We can combine them, we just can't pop 2 trinkets at a time anymore. Cooldown on the ZHC is 2 min, ToEP is 1:30.

And we can't get Power Infusion while we have Arcane Power up either.

I can help you with that math btw

. Just give me a sec.

We've got Shadow Vulnerability, which is 20%, right? Then we've got Shadow Weaving (priest debuff) which is 15%. Curse of Shadow for 10%.

I'm going to take 700 damage (which is mostly Naxx gear), and a ToEP (total of 875 damage), + Curse of Shadows, and the BG zerker buff. Also assume you are SM/Ruin. Let's see what we get.

Max Shadowbolt R10 is 538, or 540 for simplicity's sake. 3/3.5 for the amount of spell damage to the spell: 85.714%. Multiply by +damage, and we have 750 damage on top of Shadow Bolt.

1,290 before multipliers. SM makes that 1419. CoS makes that 1560. Zerker makes that 2030. Times 2 for Ruin and we have a spell that crit for 4060. We can throw in Power Infusion for another 20%: 4800ish.

But when have you had a Priest follow you around? That damage, however, is believable of a Warlock. It's about the same as a Mage at that level with Frostbolt.

xpolockx · Post by **xpolockx** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:50 am

Hey, who said I was complaining?

I had just said that the frost mages on my server seem to be easier to kill, but that I've also been owned by them before. And I'm not calling for a nerf of any kind, I'm not the type. It's possible to find a video out there for pretty much every class that shows them completely owning everyone, but obviously not everyone has the gear or support to do so (every high ranking warrior on my server has at least a pally and priest following them around at all times, healing them.) But hey, that's the way it goes.

I've owned and been owned by pretty much every class... I'm not complaining about a thing

My whole point in bringing it up was just to counterbalance the thing I had just said about frost mages being easier, that's all. No whining/complaining/calling for the nerf bat here.

Believe me, people do as much whining about hunters as any other class, so I know how that is. I'm sorry if what I said came across that way, as it definitely wasn't my intent.

oiseaux · Post by **oiseaux** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:36 pm

Its okay xpolockx! I was just joking around anyways. haha /poke

And thanks for the math on that Skyfire. Very interesting. I was on the test realm with full tier 2 and the ZHC with the berzerker buff. I crit this warrior for 2804 and then he had shadow vulnerability on him and then crit him for 3320. I about died from laughter and realized that gear is way too powerful in this game. haha Needless to say he died after that last one!! You know he was thinking..what the heck!?

Maybe I should add that I wasn't even specced in SM on the test realm. haha

Skyfire · Post by **Skyfire** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:02 am

He was in zerker, and/or had picked up the buff (the latter is less likely, since you claimed it

)

So you didn't need to be specced SM to produce that

oiseaux · Post by **oiseaux** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:15 pm

Skyfire wrote:He was in zerker, and/or had picked up the buff (the latter is less likely, since you claimed it )

So you didn't need to be specced SM to produce that

Yeah I know. Just imagine it would have been higher if I were! lol