Census ready for Tuesday? (Dec 5th)

DM. · Post by **DM.** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:42 pm

Is CensusPlus ready for this Tuesday's patch? Since its the same code as the Burning Crusade, as long as its working there it shouldn't be any probs with it on the live realms

Just curious..... I know alot of mods are getting nerfed and many will need to be recoded from the ground up.

oiseaux · Post by **oiseaux** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:56 am

It is somewhat working for Beta.

Not all functions are up and working (the character profiler). Rollie had us completely disable it because it was causing all sorts of error messages when going to the bank or into profession tabs.

Patch day is going to be messed up. They are still changing abilities and trees around in Beta. There is still some warrior ability(rampage?) that they haven't been able to get to work since the beginning of Beta. haha This ought be interesting.

DM. · Post by **DM.** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:54 pm

Well the patch day will be more like the public test realm than the beta.... Although really the patch day is suppose to be how the game will be for those not buying the expansion... So all those talent stuff will have to be worked out over the next month and a half that is left before the release and yet another update we will have to go through.

I know the Cosmos Team has alot of their mods working for the expansion. And at least wowinterface.com did a good thing with giving away free keys to mod creators so they can get their stuff working for it

I guess a few days without mods can't hurt... Since I'm sure it will be all messed up anyways with server restarts and authentications issues as usual!

oiseaux · Post by **oiseaux** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:14 pm

Well Beta testers are not allowed to go on the Public Test Realms, so I do not know if Rollie has it figured out for that. Beta testers were causing major crashes and bugs on the PTRs because we were loading up with the Beta Client. It bummed me out because i wanted to try out the new PVP and BG system and none of them run on Beta.

I guess a few days without mods can't hurt... Since I'm sure it will be all messed up anyways with server restarts and authentications issues as usual!

QFT!

Balgair · Post by **Balgair** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:09 pm

Will be interesting to see how it all works out, the talents are definitely unfinished, for rogues alone I know they've said they'll change our weapons expertise one (was +weapon skill, now clearly a waste of points since the skills nerf), but they haven't said what to yet, so I guess that one's coming in a later patch, plus we had a bunch changed on the last beta patch too. I think the live servers will be chaos for a week or two until they patch the patches a bit

As for mods, luckily I never used so many that it affects me much; I've been running completely mod-free on the beta realm until very recently, and it's fine, missing some a bit but not that badly. Only thing I've been really running there is Censusplus, which doesn't exact affect gameplay!

The one thing that bothers me is my healing characters; until now I've used GroupButtons for putting buttons next to party members, but I think the changes will break the other bits of it so badly that it'll be unusuable for what I want it for... and the developer wants to merge it with Discord bars, which I don't want as I happen to like my default bars and don't want mods messing with them. Don't suppose anyone knows a good extra-bars mod for healers that doesn't overwrite my default layout, and will actually work after the patch?

oiseaux · Post by **oiseaux** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:39 pm

I have been using Trinity bars, I think that is the name. Well I really don't like it but it has been keeping my sanity intact. I just can't stand the Default UI. I was really hoping for more customization with their UI system in the Beta and we didn't get anything new with it...

Sigh...I think Blizzard is just missing some key elements that would make WoW an even bigger success... Like 1) more character customization 2) Ability to change color of gear, hair etc. 3) Guild and player housing 4) More freaking inventory space

Okay /rant off =p

Skyfire · Post by **Skyfire** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:44 pm

Eh, Discord Action Bars aren't that bad

You should have a look into them before you start hating on them.

Alanthus · Post by **Alanthus** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:05 pm

Game will likely be near unplayable for a week since it's such a major patch so there will be plenty of time

Oiseaux: There is apparently some well known rule that to succeed in the asian market you have very little character customization per se, the way you customize is through gear. (I'll leave the obviously phallic high end gear out of the conversation I think since the obvious success of the product make those preconceptions perhaps more disturbing than funny)

Pretty sure guild and player housing will come in as a money drain when they screw up the economy in an expansion, either that or when subscriptions start to drop as perceived ownership is a good retention mechanism (also loss of ownership is a deterrent from resubscribing but that's largely overlooked as a "future" problem)

Inventory space is an easy one, we'll get a little more each expansion in some way, a very easy incentive to existing players to upgrade, no way they'll give away more than a little at the time when it's such an obvious win to just give a little at a time - not to mention the not inconsequential number of vault accounts out there.

Color/texture changes will most likely cripple some low end machines dropping customers, at least that's the discussion I have heard for other similar game clients, WoW's bread and butter being the number of subscribers that is a very bad thing which makes it hard for the devs to sell it to marketing/management until you start to have a levelling off or drop in subscriptions and start looking for hooks to keep people playing. Look at additions to existing games such as DAOC, EQ and others for a long list of such hooks.

Balgair · Post by **Balgair** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:40 am

Skyfire wrote:Eh, Discord Action Bars aren't that bad You should have a look into them before you start hating on them.

I'm sure it's fine for people who want to mess around with their UI but I don't. As I said, I like the default UI and don't want it changed, end of story. All I want is additional bars, not to have the default ones changed.

Alanthus · Post by **Alanthus** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:43 am

Hmmm, Balgair, the default UI has an awful lot of bars these days and I can pretty much fit all I want on them for most toons - my hunter for instance uses 47 out of 48 hot bars that I have made visible in the options, I don't use a lot of macros though. Just curious what you need all those hot bars for?

Balgair · Post by **Balgair** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:47 am

Healing

Basically GroupButtons = one bar under every party member, with buttons on it that apply to that member alone, so no need to change target to heal, just click on the heal button under the relevant person.

Alanthus · Post by **Alanthus** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:14 am

Ah, that would simplify things if you don't want to use key combinations for that. I'll have to check that one out but I guess since I mostly solo or duo with wife these days I don't have much of a need really

Balgair · Post by **Balgair** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:42 am

Yeah, I mostly solo but it makes healing in groups one heck of a lot easier

I initially tried using F1-F5 to select targets but I'd sometimes hit the wrong key and not notice until it was too late, which of course isn't ideal!

Plus this way I can have something else targetted, like a hunter's pet who's offtanking (you can set up bars for them too but I found it crowded the screen too much), or the mob being hit at the moment so I can cast a damage spell or two when I have time - which'll be all the more handy with the new holy talent that gives a chance of a free smite!

Post by **Rollie** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:15 am

As for C+ and the patch...

There were a couple of things I changed for TBC that was a direct result of the LUA change. I'm betting that those things are not going to work correctly.

I could theoretically push my TBC version with the patch. Obviously there would be unused portions where the new races, classes, and levels go, but it should work without any problems.

I doubt I will have a chance tonight to get onto the test realms so I will probably end up waiting until after the patch to see what functionality might be lost from the current C+ version.

oiseaux · Post by **oiseaux** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:54 pm

Skyfire wrote:Eh, Discord Action Bars aren't that bad You should have a look into them before you start hating on them.

I tried to get discord action bars set up and I would rather bang my head off of a wall than do that again.

DM. · Post by **DM.** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:59 pm

Discord Mods will sadly not be ready for the patch tomorrow

http://www.discordmods.com/cgi-bin/page.pl

oiseaux · Post by **oiseaux** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:57 pm

I thought I found something for you Balgair but the person isn't upgrading it for tomorrow! =( But he did say that he will get it updated fairly soon because he uses it himself.
http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/show ... php?t=1681

Balgair · Post by **Balgair** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:03 pm

Thanks for that link, I'll keep an eye on it! It'd have to change a little from its current state however, as I don't like autoranking mods, much prefer to choose my own ranks! However as that function should be broken in the patch anyway, I'd hope he'd make an option to allow you to just have more than one rank on the bar; that's what I currently do anyway

Skyfire · Post by **Skyfire** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:54 am

oiseaux wrote:
Skyfire wrote:Eh, Discord Action Bars aren't that bad You should have a look into them before you start hating on them.
I tried to get discord action bars set up and I would rather bang my head off of a wall than do that again.

It's better then Flexbars, which is the only real alternative to that sort of customization of ones' bars.

No, really. Go look Flexbars up.