Russian Census+

kuzichev · Post by **kuzichev** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 3:32 pm

Эх...
Все бы ничего но в русском есть еще женские и мужские склонения...

Так что и этот врет
пример
он ищет ЖРЕЦ
а не видет ЖРИЦА

там конечно не у всех есть М и Ж, но у половины классов точно...

Kreozod · Post by **Kreozod** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:47 am

kuzichev, its english forum, keep it in mind...
Write in english - respect owners of a forum!

Division into men and women is already present in Census, but it should be finished, that it understood Russian names...

Shaerrawedd · Post by **Shaerrawedd** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:06 am

I am very glad that Census+ is being translated as I appreciate this addon very much.

I am ready to provide some help and support if needed.

Good job guys! Keep up your work!

Shaerrawedd · Post by **Shaerrawedd** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:39 am

By the way, are Russian realms to be included into the warcraftrealms.com database? I.E. can we submit census data for russian realms and watch the consolidated statistics?

Suhov · Post by **Suhov** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:21 am

If admins need any aditional help with localizing client or/and site to a russian I may help also.
I have some experience in this after my work with Wowhead.com admins in the August.

Currently, Russian community really lack any correct numbers of A:H balance on all realms.

Post by **Rollie** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:50 am

Yes, this is high on my list of things to get to.

Suhov · Post by **Suhov** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:55 am

Nice to hear that. I'' make sure most players who want to know correct numbers of A:H balance will be in know of this add-on as soon as Russian relams data will be accepted.

Shaerrawedd · Post by **Shaerrawedd** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:35 am

Can say the same.

Will be waiting for your posts, Rollie.

xpolockx · Post by **xpolockx** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:18 pm

uh oh Rollie, here comes the pressure!

Shaerrawedd · Post by **Shaerrawedd** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:27 am

Indeed =)

Post by **Rollie** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:35 pm

Hello Russian folks -

An update on the current status of things.

Today I spent a fair amount of time looking into what it will take to get Russian data processing and such. Unfortunately, this is looking to be something that will be a huge pain the butt.

Basically, due to the charset required to correctly store, compare and display Cyrillic characters, at the least, I would have to dump and recreate the database using the proper charset (UTF-8). The default charset (latin1) was used pretty much everywhere on the server, including the database, and that is the problem.

Dumping and recreating the database is not a small undertaking. The database has grown to monstrous sizes and a dump and reload at this point takes DAYS. Even worse, there are further nuances that could prove to be even more troublesome to get right.

Another potential solution will be to slice off and do a whole subsite just for Russian players. It would mean basically recreating the site solely for Cyrillic character sets.

This again isn't a trivial task and I have to weigh the risk vs. reward. I could spend all this time and effort making the site work for other charsets (could also include Chinese, Korean, etc) only to find out that very few people would even use the new abilities.

I am going to continue looking into it, but I just wanted to make folks aware of the problems with supporting different charsets and impart that it is not as simple as just adding some new server names to the database.

Shisou · Post by **Shisou** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:18 pm

Thank you Rollie. Do you consider try to use English alt names that used by Blizzard for Russian realms. It looks like they are unique (Soulflayer, Deathguard e.t.c). So you only need to modify your parser and not the database. But from the future prospective using UTF-8 is the only way to have the common database.

Guild names can be transliterated as a workaround.

Suhov · Post by **Suhov** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:29 pm

Much russians used WarcraftRealms.com before. But now a huge part of russian community transfered to realms there Census Plus is not supported and thats why they simply stoped to use it.

By the way, at this topic on a biggest russian fan-site of WoW there is a theread about Census at russian realms. Basicly one guy edited your mod to make it understand russian letters and collected all info he could and make some tables about rought realm population by himself.
You can look around for it here: http://forum.worldofwarcraft.ru/showthread.php?t=87003

Shisou · Post by **Shisou** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:39 am

defrag wrote:Hi!
Here is my version of Census+.
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Hope my work useful

Waiting for feedbacks

Download HERE or HERE

P.S. and sorry for my english

i'd get the patches from this thread and it work fine on russian realms. So for now the problem is that the data collected by client part can't be placed to the database. I propose to convert the data to the latin1 on the client side. It would be easiest workaround and you can evaluate if the further steps needed to be done.

Post by **Rollie** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:41 am

Yeah, the stand alone UI mod will work just fine, it is when data is submitted here that it becomes a problem.

I do not think that the Russian data can just be converted to latin1 before being used in the database. It will end up being all ????'s.

Well, I suppose we could get population numbers like that, but we wouldn't be able to track characters or guilds that way.

Shisou · Post by **Shisou** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:06 pm

http://www.indiana.edu/~libslav/slavcatman/trrus.html
http://www.lib.msu.edu/ticklet/guides/s ... terate.htm

yes it's ugly but it's better than nothing.

Post by **Rollie** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:41 pm

Interesting, I'll have to research this further.

Shaerrawedd · Post by **Shaerrawedd** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:17 pm

So how are things goin'?

No pressure at all, of course - just wonderin'.

If it is "no" - then let it be.

Anyway I realized I would prefer playing European relms much more over the Russian. There are quite enough resons for that

Post by **Rollie** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:42 pm

I have been tinkering with it and have had some success already, but it's not ready for primetime yet =)

I'll keep you posted!

Shaerrawedd · Post by **Shaerrawedd** » Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:59 pm

Well, that's very nice to hear you're on it!

So far, most of the russian realms information is being "consolidated"

on the russian forums "in typing" - players who use Census share their data verbally and can give comprehensive answers to those who ask for the classes/levels correlation of one or another fraction.